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惩罚者 补充剧评


前文:Hannibal制作人Steve Lightfoot谈新作《惩罚者》


急吼吼地看完正剧,我又回头去补DareDevil。基本上我是黑着脸看完第一季的,因为罚叔没有出场,而我又非常不吃DD的人设,可以说是十分痛苦了。第二季直接跳着只看Kastle部分……

 

总体来说DD的线比Kastle线弱许多,第一季没有罚叔,也导致第二季的口碑远超第一季。搜了一下当时的剧评,看来媒体也是这样认为(扶额 DD对Karen的塑造就比一般的女孩子强一点。我猜大概是想表现Karen成长的过程,但是还是有一些固有印象在影响编剧。尤其是DD和Karen的感情线,简直是非常非常非常(三遍)多余。剧本身质量来说,还是比较高的。不过它对暴力和伤口的刻画(尤其音效)简直真实到没必要,除了恶心观众对剧情没有起到任何支撑作用。看得出它很想奔向R级,但是DD的理想主义圣父人设就根本不合适。

 

DD里的罚叔由于是配角,笔墨相对单薄。但是Jon Bernthal演得太好了,大大超出了编剧本身的水平。给Jon叔的小表情控制和声线控制点一万个赞,真的是,他太可爱了吧!哪里来的老干部画风啊!暴揍DD之后不知道从哪里掏出保温杯,边喝点热水边等DD醒过来XD 把Karen叫出来请她喝咖啡非要帮她分析她爱不爱马律师,一脸好闺蜜的样子XD 被DD惹毛以后,气得不行又不想下狠手揍他,就一屁股坐地上说你走开我TM要静静!太可爱了罢!!(这位观众请控制情绪……

 

好了回到《惩罚者》上来。还是聊聊Steve的采访,因为Jon叔真是不善言辞,而且最近因为加州大火他们家被迫撤离,他也不咋出现。

 

Steve的采访还是被问到了一些有趣的问题,下面随便翻翻(。

 

One act of violence that we see over and over again is Frank’swife being killed. Did you worry about it being in bad taste to show the brutalmurder of a woman as a recurring motif?


I mean, the first scene, what becomes clear isit’s not the actual way she died. It’s a dream. Each incarnation is different.The idea there is that we start with an image where someone else killed hiswife and what is meant to be clear as those dreams progress — and this is alittle spoiler-y — is that, in essence, Frank blames himself. The ultimateimage is he sees himself shooting his wife. A lot of what is driving his rageand his grief is, deep down, he knows it was because of his own actions. It wasn’tto gratuitously just keep seeing his wife die, but it was actually to build andlet the audience in on the fact that he was a man who blamed himself more thananyone else for what had occurred. That self-loathing is what’s driving him.

 

本番里一遍一遍重复Frank的妻子被杀的画面,你不担心这种对女性的暴力场面会令观众不舒服么?

Steve: 首先这个场面是Frank的梦境,不是现实。这除了暴力本身更多的是它的象征意义。他甚至梦见自己射杀他的妻子。归根到底,表明他将妻子的死归咎于自己。他无比地悲恸和愤怒,因为他的内心深处知道,这样的结果是由他而起。所以(这些场面)不是无缘无故地反复出现,而是必须要让观众理解到Frank有多么地自责。这种自我厌恶正驱使着他(的所作所为)。

(关于这个问题,Bryan曾经表达过对现今屏幕上过多的针对女性暴力的场面表示厌恶。这些场面是毫无必要地,为有暴力倾向的直男服务的。但Steve的这段不属于此范畴。)

 

How did you get involved with the show?


I got a very nice call from my agent saying,“Would you like to go in to Marvel and talk about the Punisher?” I’d seen Daredevil and Jessica Jonesand I really liked the approach because I thoughtthey were gritty, fairly deep character shows that happened to be superheroshows. I went in, we had a great meeting, and they’d finished shooting Daredevil seasontwo at the point, but it hadn’t aired. They gave me a sneak peak and I was justblown away by Jon Bernthal’s performance. I thought he gave the character suchferocity, but also vulnerability. He actually made me really care. 

 

你如何决定加入这个项目的?

Steve:经纪公司给我打电话问我要不要做《惩罚者》。我看了DD第二季,被Jon Bernthal深深圈粉。他做我就做。

 

One thing I’ve found fascinating is that Jon Bernthalspecifically said that he wanted to do right by the character’s fans in the military and law enforcement. Were you thinking about that sector of fandom while making theshow?


Obviously, that was a variable in deciding to workon the show. For me, it was foremost about serving the character of Frank. Itwas about staying true to what he is in the book, which is a difficult, complexcharacter in terms of his actions and his motivations. It was about stayingtrue to that and not being scared to lose an audience, while also hopefullywinning them back to empathizing with Frank. That was my primary concern.Certainly to the military and those guys who serve to protect us all, I thinkyou have to be respectful. But at the same time, just by the nature of thecharacter, a lot of his actions are criminal. It’s an interesting thing to berespectful of the police and at the same time, the character is beyond the law.

 

Jon Bernthal曾经说过他希望能够满足从事军事和执法领域的粉丝,关于这点你们做剧的时候有考虑吗?

Steve:必须有的。影响这剧的因素有很多,对我来说首要的就是保留Frank这个角色的真实性(这也是他本身拥有军事执法行业迷弟的原因)。他应该忠于书中的塑造,行为和动机都相当复杂难搞。我们不能够害怕吓跑一部分(心灵比较脆弱)的观众,毕竟我们还期望靠对Frank的同情留住他们。无疑,我们还必须对军事和执法行业的人们保持尊重,但同时,Frank的所作所为已经构成犯罪。这很有趣,我们必须一边尊重法律体系,一边让我们的角色做出超越法律界限的事。


What kind of research did you do? 


We did a lot of reading in the writers room.Y’know, first-person accounts and memoirs, and then we had military consultants.We had a military consultant who read every script and gave notes and we hadother consultants — a guy from Special Forces, we had a CIA guy — who all camein and consulted with us on the show as we went along.

 

你们为此剧做了哪些准备?

Steve:当然我们(编剧)读了很多相关资料书籍,而且我们有军事方面的咨询专家。我们有一位军事专家会阅读每一集的剧本,并且做出指正。我们还有一个现役中情局人员随时接受我们的咨询。

 


谈到本剧的专业领域粉丝,专门有这么一篇报道:

https://www.vulture.com/2017/11/marvel-punisher-police-military-fandom.html

 

里面采访了很多人。有人是现役警察,有人是现役军人,还有些不愿意透露姓名的老兵。有兴趣的看看我懒不翻了(你

 

里面提到:

The reasons for this attraction are varied, but tend to focus onthe character’s status as a non-superpowered man willing to push his mind andbody to the brink in order to do what he thinks is right. 

 虽然喜欢《惩罚者》的理由各不相同,但相似的一点就是:一个没有超能力的男人,全身心地去做他认为正确的事。

 

访谈中有个警察提到,他遇到危险的时候就会鼓励自己,想想Frank会怎么做。“我当然不是要把他们都杀了昂!”就是会鼓起勇气啦www

 

目前《惩罚者》第二季已经确认续订,Cast基本都会回归。其中Ben Barnes确认回归,看来罚叔的死对头“拼图”即将上线! 过去版本的拼图造型都比较惊悚,就不贴了,自行搜索哈XD

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